the couch. that's a low bar. >> i think this is one of the things a lot of women related to about "50 shades of grey," believe it or not, it had a hero, christian gray, love him or hate him, had a salary, wore a suit, and was a grown-up. >> and was interested in sex. >> there was a dark side. >> by the way, welcome to the table. at some point in our show we always get back to sex. welcome to our show. >> we should come here more often. >> i want to hear from you, charlie, because i'm not exaggerating or trying to flatter you but women come up to me all the time, all ages, ask me about charlie rose. he's southern, very generous, very kind, and never heard him swear ever. >> i don't think charm is reflective of anything else. charm happens to be a quality, whether i have it or somebody else, certainly george clooney has it, but all this other stuff about toughness, it has nothing to do with that. the toughest people in the world can be charming. it's not one or the other. >> i agree.